Jingei: let me count the ways...
I had read Skip's forum post about the pain of watching acupunks think, think, and think some more about deciding on points. Yep, that's me, I thought. That would be me. My big expensive master's degree didn't give me a whole lot of confidence about whether I could identify any given patient's underlying condition.
I would take patients into our intake room, examine their big long health history while asking questions and taking lots of notes, thinking that I could just do it faster now, keep the treatments simpler.
Whenever anyone showed up with back or neck pain, it was a toss-up for me. I didn't have a lot of faith in those distal points that everyone kept talking about. Even though I knew the patient would have a much better time out in the big room with the other patients in the recliners, I thought they would get better results if I just got them face down on the table and stuck the needles in where they would do the most good. Eventually I had some patients who were really spoiled by back treatments, and even though I know they enjoyed the needling, I wasn't so sure that I was getting at the root of anything and I was also beginning to resent the extra time and energy each back treatment required compared to the community room treatment.
A long time ago, I had read Korben's jingei notes from the first Portland training. We had tried one morning to practice the technique. But I always kind of thought that I would be one of the ones who just couldn't, for some constitutionally defective reason, find a ratio between the carotid pulse and the radial. It seemed too hard. Measure width, what? How? You've got to be kidding.
Enter Skip and Lisa.
In the afternoon section of the WCA training at PCA, I learned how to do it. Lil old me. When Skip said at one point that I would have it down after a week of practice, my heart soared. There was hope after all.
And the main point of this blog post is that my workdays after the training have been completely different and a MUCH MUCH better experience for me, and most likely for my patients as well (okay, except for one of the spoiled ones who really wanted to be face down - i take full responsibility).
Where before I would have been sitting there, thinking and thinking and asking some more questions, trying to feel for the spleen deficiency in the guan position and feeling wishy-washy in general, there was my savior thought instead: ha! Let's go get a ratio.
Next blog post: results!


Re: Jingei: let me count the ways...
jingei Dx is going back to the roots and origin of classical chinese medicine, Ling
Shu, We have a lot of quotes from Ling Shu and
Su Wen in the TCM books that we study in schools.
however there is no mention of the main Dx and Tx methods based on chapter nine and ten of the bible of chinese acupuncture.
I have been playing with Tx's based on carotid and radial artery pulses for at lease the last two years. however it has been only in the last month since I had a second look at taking these pulses based on desciptions I read from postings of LISA and SKIP that I have only treatd patients
based on jingei.
WCA's service to acupuncture community is not only the sliding scale, making acupuncuture affordable but also jingei pulse Dx which takes us back to the roots of chinese medicine.
We have for the most part understood the wisdom
of sliding scale which takes the insurance out of the picture and makes acupuncture affordable for the forgotten working people. However if we don't put an equal value on jingei we are not doing root treatments and are mostly temporarily reducing the symptoms.
The beauty of jingei Dx and Tx is that it makes
root treatments simple and works best and fits well with community acupuncture business model.
I am looking forward to a jingei workshop in california.
Thank you all
Ali Nematbakhsh
Dec, 1, 2007
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yes! i have been looking around online for resources on this pulse technique but havent found anything. anyone have reccomendations? a workshop would be great!
Re: Jingei: let me count the ways...
Hold your breath folks....a video (of our charming Skip Van Meter himself) will be available soon, with an accompanying booklet.
I'm saying...by the end of 2007.
For those of you that want to watch Skip in action, but still be able to pause to go to the bathroom...or eat bon bons.
Seriously, though, there isn't anything else out there, which is why we are producing this DVD/booklet. It helps to have something to refer to over and over.
I'll keep you posted.
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I went through Skip's Jingei class is Feb.'07, but felt very out of it, somehow. I put a lot of energy into organizing his notes and Ann's notes together, trying to be complete and concise. Somewhere there I went overboard and confused myself. So I decided I needed another Jingei class. When I got the Maine training DVD ($35), I watched Lisa's Jingei class, and it was really simple. I didn't feel like I understood everything about both Jingei classes, but somehow I felt more confidence in trying again, because I sensed that there are only a few Jingei treatments I will have to learn first, because so many patients will fall into two or three diagnoses. Eager to begin, I decided to start (that weekend) with myself, because I am a 1 1/2:1. I combined it with my distal back pain treatment for my scoliosis. I had been having a really hard time in the last few months, being so frustrated and perplexed because I was struggling with my condition getting worse, and not knowing why, (since I was diligently applying my knowledge to a strict program for myself. Why would I be getting worse? And darn it all, that discomfort was getting really bothersome!
Folks, I have to tell you that the first treatment did something really big. I felt the change for the rest of the day. I've been trying to treat myself almost every day since then, even when I only have a few minutes, because I'm so much better now. That must have been 2-3 weeks ago. And, of course, I'm applying it to more and more patients, with mixed but mostly positive results, and a few spectacular results. Lisa says "Jingei kicks butt!"
I still don't feel like I have a good hold on this, but I'm working on it, whenever I have time. When someone like Skip who's been doing it this way for over 10 years gets a little impatient with people who insist on doing the kind of acupuncture that our schools teach, you can't really blame him. Ali puts it nicely, that WCA has given us not only the sliding scale (and the tool to accomplish social justice in the acupuncture world) but also the resurrection of the missing Ling Shu technique which may (no, WILL!) revolutionize the way acupuncture is conducted and taught.
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I'd love to get my hands on the Maine Jingei training DVD.
I remain mystified by Jingei and would like some remedial guidance. Maritza (another RN) and I commiserated on the break of a recent WCA workshop that we have "seen" the carotid and radial arteries and know what size they are!!! We both had trouble getting beyond the cerebral notion of empirical anatomical proportion. Help me, Obiwan!