Western Medicine and Acupuncture

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I am a Licensed acupuncturist who studied herbs and acupuncture and I’m an RN. I work part time as a clinical nursing instructor in an AD program at a community college and part time at my community acupuncture clinic. Since I graduated from nursing school in 1969 I have worked in clinics, ICUs, general hospital floors and spent 6 ½ years as a family nurse practitioner in a community clinic. I currently take students to an acute mental health ward on Monday and a combination ICU/cardiac step down unit on Wednesday. The rest of the week I work in my acupuncture clinic.

People ask me how I can work in both types of medicine. They ask me if I get confused going back and forth. They ask me if I don’t think acupuncture is better because it’s natural. My answer to all this is that I am very clear what both types of medicine have to offer as I have seen the strengths and weaknesses of both. I am also clear on the theoretical underpinnings of both medicines and I don’t confuse the two. I have seen conditions that I don’t think acupuncture practiced in an out patient setting could fix that western medicine has corrected. And I have seen pain that an MD said would not go away and the person must live with, go away with an adequate course of acupuncture. It’s a matter of knowing which medicine to use when. And often, using them together is synergistic. People can sometimes lower their med use, therefore the side effects, with acupuncture.

Last year on an acute mental health ward in a local community hospital, the nursing students and I watched a woman recover from profound post partum depression with a course of ECT (electroshock therapy). She was so depressed when admitted that she wasn’t paying any attention to her newborn, her other children or her husband. She nearly was successful at an overdose. Upon admission to the ward she barely talked with anyone, didn’t eat and didn’t take care of herself at all. She wouldn’t promise that she would not try to kill herself. The doctors started her on medication and ECT. Each week the students saw her improve. By the end of their 6-week stay on the ward, the students said they couldn’t tell her from one of them. She was acting like anyone of their friends. There were no traces of the depression left. She remembered all about it and could talk about it. She was very grateful to be alive, to be feeling well and looked forward to going home. The new group of students that came the next week didn’t believe me when I told her story. They said, “She’s so normal.” This is not an isolated case. There’s no way out patient acupuncture, even every day, would have been adequate for this woman, in my experience. This is a condition we are required by law – and ethically– to refer emergently should someone like this show up in our clinic and Western medicine was very effective.

Let me add that I have read Peter Breggin and articles written by patients who have had ECT and consider it barbaric. I have also seen quite a few people benefit from it and who say they are grateful to have had it.

On a typical Wednesday, the students and I will help take care of people in varying stages of recovering from coronary bypass surgery. A commonl scenario is that a middle aged man with known coronary artery disease has had more frequent chest pain recently, went to the MD in the clinic, was sent to the hospital for an angiogram and is kept in the hospital for surgery. Sometimes they go from the angiogram to the OR and sometimes the person can wait until the next day. If intervention doesn’t happen soon, the man will have a heart attack. A more emergent scenario is that the man has crushing chest pain, is sweaty all over and dizzy and thinks he is going to die. That man goes from the ER to the angiography suite to the OR if other interventions aren’t indicated.

The patients go directly from the OR to our floor. In OR his heart was stopped, blood circulation diverted to a heart lung machine and when the bypasses are completed, his heart is restarted and the blood goes from the heart lung machine to his body again.

A team of nurses on our floor, each with their own task to do, hook up the monitors for heart rhythm, blood pressure & central venous pressure, sort out the IV tubing, hook up the chest tubes, take the vital signs, and get report from the anesthesiologist about how the surgery went, what medications are in the IVs to normalize blood pressure, heart rhythm and blood glucose. The respiratory therapist hooks the breathing tube to the ventilator. The primary nurse caring for the patient stays in the room monitoring heart rhythm, giving pain meds and sedation, changing the rate of the meds for blood pressure and helping the patient wake up. Usually within 4 hours of surgery, the patient is awake and the breathing tube is taken out. They are out of bed a few hours later to a chair. The next morning, most if not all of the IV medications are stopped and the patient is walking to the chair for meals. The next day cardiac rehab is working with the patient to walk the halls and they go home 3-4 days after the surgery with open coronary arteries.

This, again, is a case that we are required by law – and ethics – to refer. Perhaps an experienced acupuncturist in China could manage a case like this but my Chinese teachers told me that acute coronary syndrome in China is managed in a hospital by Western medicine and an herbalist with IV herbal formulas. She said they had less heart arrythmias with the combined treatment. Most of us here practice in out patient clinics and could not effectively manage this type of case.

These cases are dramatic. I could recount much more mundane ones. My point is, both types of medicine are useful in certain situations and the other might not cut it. Both medicines also deserve respect. As the usefulness of frequent acupuncture is becoming more widely known, that is happening.

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Re: Western Medicine and Acupuncture

thanks ann. your perspective is very valuable and I agree with Jordan that continuing conversations like this in the forum is a really good idea.
blythe

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OOPS...a correction to my post. this paragraph should have read more like this

Familiarity with situations that would require medical referral is so important. Especially today, given that more and more people may seek out complementary services such as community acupuncture
"--for serious medical condition or symptoms--"
in lieu of going the western medicine route because they aren't able to afford it (as mentioned in prior posts) or simply because they don't know any better.

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Dear Ann,
Thank you for your perspective in your wonderful post. I am a tele RN and LAc as well. My patient population consists of the heart patients you describe. My floor is also the designated
"stroke" floor and we typically work with a myriad of complicated multisystem ailments. Our clients are generally acutely ill.

I totally agree with your perspective on the appropriateness of differing modalities to SAFELY and EFFECTIVELY treat folks. Familiarity with situations that would require medical referral is so important. Especially today, given that more and more people may seek out complementary services such as affordable community acupuncture in lieu of going the western medicine route because they aren't able to afford it (as mentioned in prior posts) or simply because they don't know any better.

For Washington , I believe the state code lists the signs and symptoms that require medical referral. I remember receiving the booklet before graduation from acupuncture school years ago. I'm wondering if each state has such a code for practicing acupunturists. In any case, I think it would be useful, as Jordan mentioned, to have a resource for medical referral avialable on CAN.

In my own practice in the hospital I love teaching and empowering the patients I work with. I generally give my folks discharge information that, when appropriate, includes complementary considerations to help them on their road to recovery (i.e. acup.,ND, nutrition, massage, meditation etc.). (I never suggest that they relinquish their western medicine treatments). In general, the extra information I include, on complementary modalities, is a way of planting a tiny seed for the patients and their families. I encourage them to consider adding other "natural" approaches to their allopathic treatments. I have been finding that both patients and doctors, for the most part ,have been quite receptive.

I also have to say that in general, staff and co-workers are also suprisingly quite open-minded and receptive. On several occasions, in the break room, some of my stressed co-workers have been found to be sitting quietly with their eyes closed, as ear needles, that I have applied at their request, do their thing. As other coworkers come into the space and see one or two staff getting "treated", they automatically become very quiet (almost respectful). It's interesting to watch. It seems everyone present becomes more tuned in? Maybe it's just my imagination?

I have as yet to open my own practice.I am shooting for early next year. Hoping to expand considerably from my impromtu break room treatments(smile). I am really anticipating the conference in Portland in a few short weeks to learn the nuts and bolts.

Thanks again for writing Ann.
Maritza

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Jordan,

In MN it is specified by law what we have to refer. I think all schools are also teaching the symptoms of life threatening problems and things to refer. Basically , if someone is having trouble living their daily life, they should be seen by Western medicine. The rub comes when they don't have health insurance and can't afford WM care. It is good to know any commuity/low cost/free WM clinics in your area.

Ann

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"They ask me if I don’t think acupuncture is better because it’s natural." - ha, as a teacher of mine once said, snakebites are natural. Lots of things are natural.

Thanks for the great post, Ann - I especially like this: "I am also clear on the theoretical underpinnings of both medicines and I don’t confuse the two." As you say, both medicines have their strengths and weaknesses; I'll be happy to see more people getting acupuncture for things that acupuncture can easily help with, so that western med resources can be used for the things acu CAN'T help with.

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Ann,

Thank you for sharing your perspectives from your decades of experience nursing.

Appropriate medical referral is something I think Community Acupunctures need to be very vigilant about as more and more people are slipping through the safety nets of our so-called health care system.

We should never assume that the guy with chest pain is being seen by a doctor, let alone a cardiologist.
This is an area where we can really be helpful to one another via the CAN forum. Do we still have a librarian? I wonder if we should have a whole separate sub-forum on the topic of medical referral?

Jordan