Herbs – Part One

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I thought it would be helpful to share some of my thoughts on the subject of herbs and my ideas about incorporating herbal prescriptions into Community Acupuncture. This is turning out to be a pretty long narrative, and I have been sick with a cold for several days (yes, I am getting’ needled and taking herbs:)), so I am splitting it up into two parts.

Just to be clear, I am not yet doing Community-style treatments full time in my practice, but I plan to soon, and I want to keep doing herbal medicine because I love herbs and because they are very helpful for many of my clients. Also, I am going to be mentioning brands / herb companies and expressing preferences about them – please know they are just my opinions based on my experiences; I am not trying to market anything here, just “talk shop” a bit.

A little background: Right after acupuncture school I worked (part-time) for 3 years for Spring Wind Herbs in Berkeley, which is owned by Andy Ellis. Andy is a really wonderful herbs teacher and has been a pioneer of sorts in bringing up the quality standards in Chinese herbs by encouraging correct species selection, testing bulk herbs for specific pesticides / herbicides / fungicides, and recently collaborating on updating the Bensky’s Materia Medica and Formulas and Strategies books to include more details and more correct information about species, adulterants, etc. He also has worked very closely with a few herbal companies, consulting with them on herb quality and correct species identification. For two of the three years I worked at Spring Wind, I spend 95% of my time as an herbal pharmacist, filling herbal formulas ordered by other practitioners (if you ordered from them during 2004 – 2005, it is very likely I filled your formula). During the 3rd year, the pharmacy part of the business was sold to another person (a friend of Andy’s) and moved to San Francisco, so I spent more time doing warehouse work and helping make Spring Wind products.

I learned so much in this time and it really helped me to feel comfortable with herbs. Since last year, I have been teaching herbs at my alma mater, ACCHS in Oakland and I really enjoy this. I did not explain the above to be deemed as some kind of expert, I just want folks to know where I am coming from in writing this. I don’t generally think I know something others don’t until I talk to another practitioner and they start to point out that I know stuff they never heard before and start asking me more questions. So I thought it would help to share some of the stuff that works for me and see if a helpful discussion can happen, because I want CA clinics to have the option of doing herbs successfully, and I want to help figure this out for all of us, CANers. For reading ease, I separated the rest into sections.

Raw, Powder, Tinctures or Pills?

I think raw herbs are great, but I cannot stock them, because most people I treat do not have the time to cook them. There are a few clients that want raw herbs for their potency or because they are allergic to carriers / binders that may be present in powders / pills. I send them to a local herbal pharmacy I trust to carry good quality herbs for a reasonable price. If you can / have access where you live, I recommend having a relationship with a place like that that you have checked out and feel comfortable with. I have a pre-printed form for herbal prescription with my contact info at the top and I just fill it out and either hand it to the client with the pharmacy address and phone # or fax it to the pharmacy and have them call the client when it is ready.

If you don’t have a local place, there are a couple of good mail order sources: Spring Wind Dispensary on West Coast and Crane on East Coast come to mind. Of course the problem with having herbs mailed is that your patient has to pay for shipping (so it costs more) and that it takes them a few days to get the herbs.

This is why I love powders AKA concentrated water extracts. I know some of you know this already, but you will be surprised how many acupuncturists don’t - Concentrated powder extracts are cooked decoction sprayed onto a starchy (rice or potato usually) carrier in a vacuum container, so they are the next best thing to cooking your own raw herb decoction. They are cooked, so they are not the same as ground up raw herbs! Many people get confused about this and it is pretty important because most herbs are meant to be “cooked” or processed somehow. With powder extracts, you can customize the formula anyway you want, they take up less space, keep for a long time, and are much more “portable” and user-friendly for the patient than raw herbs. And they work!

Tinctures – I don’t actually have much experience with them, and so I really can’t share much. I know some tinctures are really wonderful and high quality, and I have also experienced them to be kind of pricey. I am generally partial to water extracts because I learned that the most traditional way to prepare most Chinese herbs is decoction – so I just trust that chemical process more. It would be great to hear from someone who uses tinctures regularly and see what they have to share about their experience.

I think that’s it for this time, but I will post again soon with part two and some thoughts on:
-Brands I prefer and why
-Good reference materials for easy prescribing
-Compliance discussion
-Pricing herbs
-Herbs in a Community Acupuncture setting – how would it work?

I really hope this is a helpful discussion… would love some feedback and/or questions.
Tatyana

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Re: Herbs – Part One

ann -

i do not know for certain, but here is what i think about the starch: the starch content is really small in those granules, i don't think it is anything like eating a potato. i generally do not worry about it, except with someone i know to be highly allergic. i do not know if the extracted starch still has the nightshade quality nor the exact starch percentage and i think it varies between the different herbs quite a bit - you can usually taste it when you taste the powder. anyone have any idea?

also, if you are really concerned re: the question of how much starch they use and how it might affect arthritic patients you might email KPC or Andy and see what they say.

i will include more detailed information about granules in my next posting.

-tatyana

Re: Herbs – Part One

re: the starch content in granules

IIRC the starch used is more like Shan Yao than spuds. I've used granules for years and have had very good compliance and few problems with them. But do email Andy and see what he says.

Another thing i heard recently is that the binder material tends to precipitate in water and that one needs only consume the fluid in which the granules have been mixed (and not the precipitate at the bottom of the glass) if one wants to consume the herbs and limit consumption of the binder. I'm not sure if this is true -- has anyone heard something similar?

When i've seen Japanese consuming Kampo formulas, i've usually seen them open a single-dose pack (like Honso makes) and dump the whole thing into their mouths, chasing it with water (or bev of choice). So that would involve ingesting the binder as well as the formula -- and Kampo is used IIRC by >30% of the Japanese population, often for arthritis and allergies. So i tend to think it is not a significant problem; this is not really a new technology we're talking about.

- robert hayden

Re: Herbs – Part One

Tatyana, Thank you for the information you have shared. I am particularly interested in the fact that potatoe starch may be used as a carrier in an herbal powder. Potatoes are, of course, a member of the nightshade family and as such can trigger arthritic reactions in some people. Don't know if this applies to a purified extracted starch, but it is something I would want to know. What do you think?

Re: Herbs – Part One

Tatyana,
The company I use (Mayway) offers both water extracts and raw herb powders. I found myself often stymied when I created a formula and went to order the herbs (put together into a mixture and then into a plastic bottle) and found that they didn't have everything as an extract, but certainly as raw herb powder. I ended up ordering the formula as a raw powder. Can you tell me what you think (I'm not trying to put you on the spot at all, just that you would have better judgement than I in this case) the clinical difference is between taking the formula as raw or as extract? My guess is that the extract formula would be ten times as effective as the raw formula. Do you agree?

And by the way, I'm so glad that you are doing this, and taking your time (presenting it in parts) so that we all get the benefit of a detailed discussion.

Re: Herbs – Part One

Hi Tatyana,

I love this discussion! Although the school I'm attending does not teach herbs, I have treated my family and pets with western herbs for many years with good results. I have the most experience with tinctures and powdered herbs in capsule form as that was the easiest way to get animals to take them. I didn't know that powders are water extracted so that was some great info! Looking forward to the rest of your post.

Trish